"If you won't put up with his lying ... you can't have a conversation with him at all".
Well, that's it, isn't it? The end of the road of embracing disinformation and propaganda is you have no legs to,stand on if people insist on asking if these assertions are true. There's no way to finesse blatany lying. There are no repercussions for lying in politics if the people you're lying to want to believe. We are irrelevant in that discussion.
One bit I found terribly compelling came right as Vance finished his anxious explanation of how the Haitians came to be legal. The journalist off-screen said something like, "Thank you for describing the legal process they used properly, but we do have to move on."
In a Fox discussion of the moment that I witnessed via short clip, conservative hosts did not argue that Vance was right to call the Haitians illegal -- rather, they condemned the journalist for pointing out his lie. (In a longer clip, maybe they did -- but they did not lead with that.)
And similarly in a Fox comment section an hour ago, under a news article about the unsealed Jack Smith brief that lays out clearly *even on Fox* that Trump lied about the 2020 election -- his voters are not posting any defense of what Trump said or did. They only insist that it's unconscionable of the court to point it out.
Thanks for writing up so thoroughly this aspect of their culture.
This is the best critique I’ve read, by a wide margin. Thank you for this
You're so good to me. But I admit I'm pleased with it.
As you should. This ishead and shoulders about what the mainstream media feed us.
"If you won't put up with his lying ... you can't have a conversation with him at all".
Well, that's it, isn't it? The end of the road of embracing disinformation and propaganda is you have no legs to,stand on if people insist on asking if these assertions are true. There's no way to finesse blatany lying. There are no repercussions for lying in politics if the people you're lying to want to believe. We are irrelevant in that discussion.
One bit I found terribly compelling came right as Vance finished his anxious explanation of how the Haitians came to be legal. The journalist off-screen said something like, "Thank you for describing the legal process they used properly, but we do have to move on."
In a Fox discussion of the moment that I witnessed via short clip, conservative hosts did not argue that Vance was right to call the Haitians illegal -- rather, they condemned the journalist for pointing out his lie. (In a longer clip, maybe they did -- but they did not lead with that.)
And similarly in a Fox comment section an hour ago, under a news article about the unsealed Jack Smith brief that lays out clearly *even on Fox* that Trump lied about the 2020 election -- his voters are not posting any defense of what Trump said or did. They only insist that it's unconscionable of the court to point it out.
Thanks for writing up so thoroughly this aspect of their culture.